this is so clinton. makes perfect sense. >> first of all, bill clinton regards kentucky as a sub jurisdiction of political power. he won that state twice, last democrat to do so, he feels very much at home there. when i went to that dinner in kentucky that led to my story about judd, clinton was in charge. jerry lundigrin, father of allison grimes, supported hillary clinton heavily. gave to the clinton library, gives to all of hillary's things. when bill clinton came to that dinner, he privately met with allison and jerry, her father. allison is like the daughter of a mini establishment in the state. the further complicating factor is that, though, the lundigrin people are at war with the current governor -- >> that's too much. >> it's not too much. it's not too much. >> it all comes out in the wash. >> what judd has to hope is there's a fracture in the establishment of the democratic party. bill clinton will have to heal. >> bill clinton, very popular in the country. i think he's a stalking horse for hi